water kettle woes (pour-over)

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water kettle woes (pour-over)

Postby Jim Saborio on Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:50 am

I am placing an agent in Japan to acquire a better water kettle than the Hario Buono. My beef with it is that it's a bit too large at 1.5L. I hope that a smaller kettle will inspire smaller and more frequent withdraws from the 'ol water tower.

If nothing else, I'd like to give one of the smaller models a try. I've heard mumblings about the Takahiro kettles, but am unable to find a source with the three words of Japanese I know.

Please advise. My agent will be on stand-by in Kobe.
-JIm

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Re: water kettle woes (pour-over)

Postby John P on Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:07 pm

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/maldive/
http://www.rakuten.co.jp/maldive/429064/497720/497734/#451885

This place is in Tokyo
They have a lot of other coffee equipment as well.

TEL 03-3410-6588
OPEN 10A to 9P

Access: Keio Line, Odakyu Line
"Shimokitazawa" Station
(From Shinjuku, 10 minutes, From Shibuya, 5 minutes)
2-14-7 Kitazawa, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 〒 155-0031 Sentorarubiru 1F

You can always order from the source.
http://www.takahiro-inc.com/index.php?cPath=1&osCsid=f3a88bce15f13cd88169c0fa49500d6e

I know Tokyo is a good hop on the Shinkansen, but try finding a specialty shop without standing in Kobe is tough. Although I do remember there are a couple of small specialty coffee shops and roasters in the main downtown area of Kobe. Might wander in and ask if they have a "Coffee drip pot" "KOHI durippo potto".
My Japanese is very poor. That's the best I can do.
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Re: water kettle woes (pour-over)

Postby Jim Saborio on Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:09 pm

thanks.
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Re: water kettle woes (pour-over)

Postby Phil Proteau on Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:51 pm

Hey, at least it looks like they take most major American credit cards.
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Re: water kettle woes (pour-over)

Postby Jim Saborio on Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:44 pm

My barista returned from Japan with a Takahiro and a Kalita kettle (which looks identical to the Tiamo Mr. Waldman linked to).

I have not checked my temperature theories, but I will say that the folks at Hario did a good job making the lid of the Buono. The Takahiro and Kalita kettle both have all-metal lids that heat up so much that they'll burn the most seasoned barista's hands. The lids are a bit difficult to remove on these pots making them a pain to use on a busy drip bar.

In terms of rates of flow, the Kalita (.7L) pours just like the Hario. The Takahiro seems to pour in overdrive when tilted at an aggressive angle, which is nice when you're rinsing filters and not doing "detail work".
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Re: water kettle woes (pour-over)

Postby Phil Proteau on Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:27 pm

So here is something that I have been thinking of for use in a retail environment that uses a hot water tower and single cup pour over station. This would address both the hot lid and water temperature problems.

For my own pour over, at home in my kitchen, I keep the gas burner on my stove at its lowest setting while pouring. I set the kettle (Takahiro) on the gas so it won't loose heat between pours. I like a long steep time and so I pour small amounts of water over a 3ish minute period of time. There are several occasions to set the kettle on the gas, and the extended pour time will make the water loose a lot of heat during the brewing if I don't keep it on the gas. I started doing this after drinking several cups of low temperature brews. They are rather unpalatable, tasting somewhat like raw hamburger on a bun of dried grass.

I believe it would be possible to use a portable gas burner at a brew station to keep kettles hot. This would also remove the necessity of keeping the lid on the kettle. So much is made of temperature stability while making espresso, but only sparse attempts to address it for brewing. I think there is plenty of room for innovation in this area.
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Re: water kettle woes (pour-over)

Postby Jason Haeger on Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:07 pm

I once worked at a shop that had hot plates for setting the water pitchers on between pours.

It was not used properly at this particular shop, but the tools were there. They kept the water at ~185F used alone. Water drawn from a hot water tower would probably be greatly helped by this setup, and since it's been done, I don't see why it couldn't be done again.

They were electric.
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