Converting A Starbucks Linea

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Converting A Starbucks Linea

Postby onocoffee on Mon May 22, 2006 7:31 pm

Just wondering if anyone knows if an ex-Starbucks Linea 4AV from TagEx that does not have a hot water tap can be converted?

While I realize the Starbucks AVs do not have a hot water tap, I'm wondering if the doo-hickey thing that you would screw the hot water tap hardline into the boiler is already there - or is this a major operation that includes brazing on a threaded connector?

Also, am I correct in presuming that the steam wands can be replaced with articulating wands?

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Postby phaelon56 on Tue May 23, 2006 6:57 am

I'll take a look at my Starbucks Linea tonight and let you know. But addding a hot water tap might be messy as you'd need to mount and wire in the solenoid valve, cut an opening for the switch and then add the copper tubing and the tap spout itself and cut an opening in the underside for the tap to protrude.

According to ESI the only difference is in the wand itself - they say the wand arm assembly at the base where it attaches is what allows articulation. I bought two for my S'bucks Linea with plans to convert to fully articulating arms but I haven't looked yet to see if it's a simple swap. I'll post back on that as well.
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Postby geir oglend on Tue May 23, 2006 10:32 am

Jay, I just did this. I ordered the water kit from ESI. The hole for the tap should alresdy be there so should the knockout for the rocker switch!
wiring is sraight forward , a hot and a ground (240 volts).
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Postby onocoffee on Tue May 23, 2006 11:53 am

Thank you guys, that said, there might be an ex-Starbies Linea in my future.
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Postby phaelon56 on Tue May 23, 2006 4:36 pm

Whatever happened to the one you bought last year? Or did that deal fall through?

By the way... a source who I think is fairly reliable (but is definitely not a member of this forum) recently advised me that Starbucks had originally had a Phase II and Phase II release to Tagex of more used machines - to be released after the first 1500 or so.

But the word he gets from inside the Green monster is that the 'bucks has started to think that the cheap machines arr making it too easy for independent competitors to either set up shop or upgrade their gear for too low an entry cost.

So... as the story goes... they have cancelled plans to liquidate the remaining machines and will instead just scrap them. The source was not trying to sell me a machine nor was he trying to get me to buy one from anyone else. But an interesting story none the less....
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Re: Converting A Starbucks Linea

Postby barry on Sun May 28, 2006 7:58 pm

onocoffee wrote:While I realize the Starbucks AVs do not have a hot water tap, I'm wondering if the doo-hickey thing that you would screw the hot water tap hardline into the boiler is already there - or is this a major operation that includes brazing on a threaded connector?



i'm working on a tagex 3av and there is no fitting on the boiler for a steam tap.
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Postby Alistair Durie on Sun May 28, 2006 7:59 pm

why do you need a steam tap? it is about the worst dispenser of hot water i know of.
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Postby barry on Sun May 28, 2006 8:05 pm

yeah yeah yeah...


okay, a HOT WATER TAP.

although, technically, it's the same fitting as a steam tap, the difference being the water pipe that is inserted into that fitting. if jay wanted to disconnect the right steam wand piping, he could insert the tube and hook up the hot water wand.
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Postby xristrettox on Sun May 28, 2006 8:20 pm

alistair wrote:why do you need a steam tap? it is about the worst dispenser of hot water i know of.


You're kiddin right? don't you use the jet for cleaning your demi's and pfs?
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Postby Alistair Durie on Sun May 28, 2006 8:22 pm

ya thats what i meant, the hot water tap on the linea is horrible. for teas or americano there are much better solutions.
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Postby barry on Sun May 28, 2006 8:46 pm

gah, don't use a hot water tap for a drink! :(

use it to clean equipment. :)
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Postby fleck on Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:23 pm

You're kiddin right? don't you use the jet for cleaning your demi's and pfs?

apparently, billy, alistair doesn't believe in clean small wares or preheated cups. i don't know how i would survive without the hot water spout. we all know not to use it for americanos or tea water...but thanks for the lesson anyway ali.

and the conversion is simple, from what jacob at la marzocco told me.

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Postby Alistair Durie on Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:26 pm

i prefer to use my dedicated hot water dispenser for all that, which does not cause pump pressure fluctuations while brewing shots like the stupid hot water tap will do.
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Postby Mark Prince on Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:34 pm

alistair wrote:ya thats what i meant, the hot water tap on the linea is horrible. for teas or americano there are much better solutions.


LOL! Spoken like a guy who has a (Zorj?) hot water dispenser next to his machine... but I've seen it have an accident at least once.

But I still think the hot water pipes are better for doing a clean of cups and shot glasses.

Mind u, "da best" is probably the new mix pipes on the GS/3 and FB80s - does the GB5 have them as well? Tune it up for some nice 92C water delivery, poifect!

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Postby Alistair Durie on Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:57 pm

The Synesso also has a user-adjustable mix valve for steam water.

It also has the option of seperate water lines in: one to the steam boiler (line pressure) and one to the brew boilers (from the pump). So taking any amount of water from the steam boiler will not screw up your shot pressure.

Synesso also has a new option that maintains perfectly stable brew pressures even when two shots are running at the same time.
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Postby phaelon56 on Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:27 am

Heads up to all on converting you Tagex Starbucks Linea to add a hot water valve. I spoek last week to one of the guys at ESI Support (it was Eric if I recall correctly). He advised to check the mahcine carefully before ordering the parts. Appartently some of the old Starbucks mahcine have a hot water access port onth je steam tank that is capped and ready to convert but other do not and can not be converted. Just depends on which machine you ended up with.
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hot water spout

Postby gizmologist on Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:44 pm

Most of the tagex machines that have gone through my hands actually have a drain on the bottom of the steam tank. I hooked a hot water spout on there and it worked fine. I want to run one through a steam valve with a knob.
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